jerith ([info]jerith) wrote,
@ 2008-07-02 19:14:00
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Don't bring thin skin to the internet
I had an all-too-frequent argument this evening. This resulted (as it occasionally does) with the other person storming off in a huff, all offended. The conversations usually goes something like this:

Him: I like $broken_technology.
Me: $broken_technology is very seldom a good idea. Why do you like it?
Him: Because $common_misconception.
Me: Actually, that's a common misconception. $correction.
Him: But are there any $not_broken_technology things that do $common_misconception_thing.
Me: Yes, plenty. For example, $thing.
Him: Um, but $other_misconception.
Me: Actually, $other_correction.
Him: You people are a pack of technobigots! *storms off in a huff*.

Part of the problem is that I suffer from SIWOTI Syndrome. I find it incredibly difficult to just let people sabotage themselves because they believe something that is not true. Part of the problem is that I want to teach people to think rationally about their behaviours and motivations, because it's the only way to avoid muddling around in a fug of lies and excuses. Part of the problem is that I get too emotionally invested in trying to better the lives of strangers when I can see exactly where they are making their mistakes and have the data to back it up.

Also, to be perfectly honest, I like to be right. I like to dispense wisdom. I enjoy being the expert people come to when they have a programming problem. Being the authority is nice. It makes me all warm and fuzzy when people do something better because of advice I gave them.

The real problem is that people don't like to be wrong. Thinking is hard. The misconceptions are comfortable old friends. The work they have done under those misconceptions represents effort that they may need to throw away. This makes people defend their misconceptions. It also makes them see an attack on a misconception as an attack on them personally.

This is where the subject comes in. As soon as you take anything on the internet personally, you're opening yourself up to pain. It hurts me when my laboriously collected wisdom is written off as bigotry. It hurts you a lot more when you take a request for data backing up your assertions as "getting ganged by zealots".

I don't really have a good answer. I could probably be a bit more diplomatic, but it's difficult to say "you're not making sense" in a way that doesn't offend those with delicate sensibilities. I could just ignore people being wrong, but occasionally I do enlighten some poor soul who has merely been led astray by the propaganda machines and is capable of becoming a useful and productive member of the community. (That's not to say the others aren't, just that they need to shed some ego first.)

Another side effect of my SIWOTI is that I often come across as arrogant. Sometimes this is me misjudging the level at which to pitch my explanations and coming across as patronising (if I pitch too low) or elitist (if I pitch too high). Then if I ask a few questions to judge background, I'm interrogating instead of helping. Sometimes it's because I tell people they're wrong. If I kept quiet or only answered the questions asked, even when they pointed to deeper misunderstandings or flaws, I could avoid these issues. But then people would keep being wrong. And we can't have that.




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[info]mirell
2008-07-03 06:19 am UTC (link)
It's actually so much worse to suffer that issue when you're dealing with the company you're working at...

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[info]pkeike
2008-07-03 10:47 pm UTC (link)
I think that suffering from SIWOTI Syndrome is just a symptom of a certain class of people. They often believe themselves to be experts in a certain field of interest. Despite this, they are generally very open to new ideas and they also take criticism of their ideas very well. If you can improve their outlook/solution of the problem domain, you will gain their respect. Certainly not arrogance, IMHO.

However, jerith didn't really mention the flip side. If you reject their ideas without giving any valid reason for doing so, they get annoyed/angry. I think this is because SIWOTI's don't like being wrong either. It gnaws at their conscience, consuming copious amounts of free time. If they knew why they were wrong, they could fix it and the world would be right again.

Seeing something wrong with the world, that can be so easily fixed with their knowledge, is a torture. The big problem is that people's beliefs are sometimes so ingrained, that the only way to break them down is gradually over time. Most SIWOTI's just do not have the patience to use anything but an emotional wrecking ball...

Disclaimer: I regard myself as a member of the SIWOTI clan. If you take offence to my previous utterings, then you clearly aren't. :P

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re. Don't bring thin skin to the internet
(Anonymous)
2008-07-05 07:43 pm UTC (link)
I almost never respond to blog posts because it is pointless. However your missive tickled a sore spot :-(

I assume you have something to back up your self-proclaimed brilliance? Are the people around you really that stupid? I'm not convinced that because some-one says something loudly and often that makes said person either right or worth listening to.

I apologize for ranting via a blog comment; it's silly of me, I know.

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Re: re. Don't bring thin skin to the internet
[info]rooijan
2008-07-06 10:19 am UTC (link)
To quote from above: "Part of the problem is that I get too emotionally invested in trying to better the lives of strangers when I can see exactly where they are making their mistakes and have the data to back it up." (emphasis mine)

I've never known Jerith to consider himself brilliant, the others around him to be stupid or to make his views on issues loudly heard.

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Re: re. Don't bring thin skin to the internet
[info]jerith
2008-07-07 08:48 am UTC (link)
I certainly don't consider myself an expert on everything. In certain areas, though, I have far more experience and knowledge than the people I am arguing with and it is in these areas that the aforementioned conversations take place.

Also, I never claimed that the other people were stupid -- only too emotionally invested in their own misconceptions. (This is easy to do, and I have fallen victim to it myself on occasion.) As [info]rooijan mentioned, I do have data to back up my claims in such situations. I may sometimes be loud, but I certainly do not expect anyone to believe what I'm saying without support. A major part of my argument is that they should investigate further themselves.

Anyways, blog comments are there for ranting at the author of the post. You posted anonymously, though -- do I perhaps know you from somewhere?

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